Sunday, March 16, 2014

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Barter Ammo

One of my favorite quotes:

" In such a collapse, the main currency will be common
caliber ammunition..." Gary North.

I also feel that in a catastrophic "economic" crisis, ammo will be desperately sought after by men and women attempting to protect their families.

So then, which calibers and how much?

This is what would be a good solid beginning:


.22 long rifle. The more the better, almost every gun owner has a 22. Two or three bricks to trade would be nice.

.380 One box of 50. This caliber is numerous enough that you should have some to trade.

9mm Ten boxes of 50. There will be a high demand for this one.

38 special Ten boxes of 50. Same as 9mm, high demand. Can also be used in 357's.

40SandW Ten boxes of 50.

44 special Five boxes of 50. Not as popular as the 38/357, but definitely worth having some. Can also be used in the 44 magnum.

45 acp Five boxes of 50. Lots of 1911's and clones out there.

9x18 One box of 50. A lot of mil-surp pistols were imported in this caliber.


22 long rifle Already covered above

223/556 All those guys out there shooting this, and not having any fire control discipline, will be shocked how fast it went. IF...if you can afford it, get a 1000 round case. Otherwise, whatever you can afford.

270 Popular hunting round. Five boxes of 20.

308 500 rounds if you can afford it. Will be sought after by all the FN, AR10, HK, Cetme etc. owners.

30-06 Ten boxes of 20. Highly popular hunting caliber

30 30 Ten boxes of 20. The first hunting rifle for lots of guys shot this.

7.62x39 Once again, IF...if you can afford it, TWO cases of 1000. Why more for this one than the 223? The SKS and the AK look alikes. In reality there are probably more rifles in the U.S. shooting the 223. However for this caliber it is a market supply issue. All of the bulk supply of this ammo is imported. Are there any serious manufacturers of this caliber in the U.S? No!
All it is going to take is one executive order banning imports. Remember China?
Or....Things start heating up between the U.S. and Russia. Putin makes a list of things that are not allowed to be exported to the U.S. Ammo is at the top of the list. (note: this was written before the current rumors about Putin cutting us off)
This caliber is currently available at a reasonable price.

5.45x39 During the last gun grabbing scare, there was a shift into buying rifles shooting this. A year and a half ago, this was selling at 10 cents each. Today it is 16 cents. At the peak of the last ammo shortage it was 21 cents. It was the last thing to sell out. Because of its availability it was bought. There is a growing demand for this. Have about 100 rounds of this.

303 One box of 20

7.62x54r One box of 20

8mm mauser One box of 20

These last three only because of the large numbers of mil-surp rifles in the country.


There are numerous loadings available for these shells. I would stick with slugs, buck and hunting loads.

410 25 rounds

20 100 rounds

12 250 rounds

Keep in mind, these are the calibers that will be most need by the majority of people. If you stock up on 221 fireball you will have a long wait until someone shows up wanting to barter for it.

Everyone of us has seen what it was like during the last ammo shortage. We know what the insane prices were at the gun shows. Stop and imagine what value your barter ammo will have during a collapse! (real or perceived)

NOTE! March 9-14 For any ammo that is primarily made in bulk overseas and your plans are dependent on it.......BUY IT MASSIVELY NOW OR CHANCE REGRETTING IT LATER! All the SKS, AK, Mosin-Nagants AND the black plastic owners are screwed when (not if) the oversea supply ends.

I know this will be expensive, so do not buy barter items until you already have enough of everything else you are going to need.


  1. Lots of bull but good post.

  2. Ammo is a poor form of money, or currency if you prefer. Once it changes hands a few times it's worth is debatable. Consider:

    1) Some cartridges fall out of your pocket into a puddle of water. You pick them up, and dry them off. Which are you going to use for trade first, the ones that got wet or the ones that didn't? Even if you're honest, are you sure about the other guy?

    2) Ammo is easily counterfeited. Primers can be emptied or powder replaced with dirt.

    3) There's no way to be assured of the cartridges' value without destroying them in the process.

    This is like some that believe non-factory sealed hootch would make good barter material. Once it passes through a few hands it'll be diluted, and hopefully not with something like methanol. And a last thought on ammo in an insurgency/counterinsurgency situation, some may be sabotaged - like using flashpowder in place of smokeless powder.

  3. I doubt I will trade away ammo for, well, anything. But that doesn't mean I wont buy extra ammo in these common calibers - After all I bet there are going to be all sorts of Fudds in need of an extra couple months of food or water willing to trade away there now useless metal and plastic or wood clubs for... And if I can feed the clubs I will then have another useful tool.