Wednesday, January 1, 2014

salvage economy


SALVAGE ECONOMY

I believe it is the Druid Dude who is the current proponent of The Salvage Economy as one of the collapse phases.  It is Old Hat, being featured in nuclear war post-apocalypse fiction many moons ago.  And in a nuclear war, it is quite feasible since ( radiation concerns aside ) 99% of the population died off quickly and didn’t have a chance to screw up the survivalists plans of salvage.  There is plenty to go around.  Plus, way back in the “shall we play a game?” era of global war between super powers, there was a lot less population and a lot more resources still in the Easy Extraction Mode ( today, most everything needs WAY more petroleum and infrastructure to extract as we violently suck much harder at the longer straw to suck the last few drops from the bottom of the glass ).

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I have an issue with this concept.  For a few resourceful, lucky and smart individuals, it will certainly help for some time.  But as a whole, I find it problematic. Simply put, too many of us NOW, prior to true collapse, will use up all the salvage cashing in the infrastructure to China for ten cents on the dollar.  Already, yesterday, our infrastructure has been allowed to deteriorate ( allowing some potential salvage to become worthless ).  Next, already happening in bellwether areas such as Detroit, the salvage we can’t replace ( cough, cough, copper used in brass, cough ) is stolen for scrap.  In areas NOT seeing economic collapse, we still salvage newly financially dear metal such as iron and steel and sell it to China.  The process is already underway and all we have now is a pale warn up of a true collapse.  Do you think solar radiated degraded plastic is really enough to base a salvage economy on?  Because we aren’t going to have much else in a larger macro sense.

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Okay, speaking of copper, which as we all know is being held in vast underground caverns waiting to be released when a new President is elected and there are no more conspiracies against ammunition users, I’ve decided that I’m not going to join the crowd of hopeful.  As far as I’m concerned-and granted, I could be wrong- brass supply is in decline and that explains the ammunition shortages and prices.  I know none of you agree with me, and that is okay.  I’m not trying to turn you to the dark side, not again.  But I am acting on it and going with the Russian steel rounds for my reloading components for emergency post-collapse use.  I’m going with a can of steel rounds every time I buy 100 rounds of brass rounds, so that every five hundred will cost me a smidge under $200 ( figuring in four reloads per case ).  My questions to my educated gun minions: those collets that come with the bullet puller.  Are they going to last hundreds of rounds, or are they an item that gets chewed up/damaged and needs to be replaced?  Also, on powder scales.  Do they sell analog, or am I stuck with digital for an affordable unit?  Thanks.

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18 comments:

  1. You called it. That's the problem with this slow grinding collapse. All the good salvage gets used up before the final gasp. We'll be reduced to pounding concrete with rocks to salvage old rebar.

    On a personal level, I've been living in a salvage economy for years. Much of much is built with materials salvaged from other buildings. My alternative energy projects are mostly based on reused materials picked up for free. (Collapse early and avoid the rush)

    Ever consider picking up a simple balance beam scale? As for low tech reloading, there are powder measures -not as accurate, but fine in the world of good enough.

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    1. We've been in slow collapse since our peak oil in 1970. All temporary illusions of recovery were just adaptations lower on the scale/printing money/military conquest of others oil/etc. Yet it takes by surprise when suddenly a commodity disapears. "We haven't entered collapse. Yet. Right?" Hmmm. This might be an article.

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  2. "Also, on powder scales. Do they sell analog, or am I stuck with digital for an affordable unit? Thanks."

    You can still get the old style scales Jim, though I actually had to look a while to find one, as they're almost all digital now.

    The one below is the Lee Safety Powder Scale, priced at $25.00 at Cabelas.

    http://tinyurl.com/mqatpzz

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    1. Thank you for the link. I did Wish List it at Amazon, since I can add the puller and get free shipping. I just needed to know what name to search for it-which you provided. Good minion!

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  3. Yes the Druid-guy has been a proponent of it. I suspect is time frame is a little longer than just the immediate generation of boomers and follow-ons. He has an odd way of talking down doomers, and yet sounding awfully doomful himself. My guess is if you could get him off record, his problem with doomers is more in the fanciful scenarios they spin (UN Milita porn for example), than their overall concerns.

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    1. I'm not so sure. Sometimes it just seems he has only a skin deep understanding of doomers. Lumps them all in with Mayan Calender Bitches, Revelation Proponents, etc.

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  4. I prefer the balance type powder scales like the Lee. I use an RCBS 505 which is more accurate (Down to .01 grain) but costlier. The real value is that they will work long after batteries have dried up. And they calibrate easily. Digital scales are a PITA to keep calibrated. YMMV

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    1. I'm not looking to buy total junk, but do want to do this cheaply. As it might never be needed when I'm killed before my factory ammo is used up.

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  5. for medical and reloading use.. the lee is probably the best.

    have you ever listened to steve harris? www.solar1234.com
    i just started listening to his shows and am working on converting our lighting to AA batteries with solar and vehicle based charging systems.

    chad from wisconsin

    please excuse my lack of capitalization as i am typing one handed due to injury.

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  6. Jim, your fixation with buying the 54r for components is STUPID!

    You are mutating into the YUPPIE SCUM you belittle. I WANT IT! I WANT IT NOW!

    Have you EVER thought about how much work it is to do this?

    I assume ( ASS you, yes) that you are NOT getting a kinetic style puller. They DO NOT work too good with milsurp ammo. (it's the crimping). Then my question is: Do you have a bench mounted reloading press?

    You are ONE guy (with companion). Your stated strategy, is to be isolated. HOW many times do you think you are going to make your gun go BANG and still survive? I'm betting you have in excess of 500 rounds for your 303. If you are going to be spraying lead, then get something in black plastic.

    GEEZ! You are like a kid with a nickel in his pocket, just can't wait to spend it.
    You are sitting there with those primers and no powder. Real good planning there Mr. Survivalist!

    Have you done ANYTHING with all those blanks you previously bought??????

    Are you one of those guys that just has to have something and then after you get it, it is thrown in a corner and forgotten?

    You Know Who

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    1. So sorry, I didn't realize being over paranoid was a bad thing. And you advocate holding on to money until it loses all value?

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    2. Blanks? What blanks? If they're the Queen's Own Calibre, why can't you pry the crimping open (that's if you have what I think you have) and salvage the propellant?

      And if you're not a barbarian about opening the crimping and also pry open your wallet for a case trimmer, you might be able to cut them down (2.22" max case length for .303; I trim new brass to 2.20", btw) seat a bullet and be done with it.

      And finally, don't forget to get someone you don't like very much to do the initial test firing, just in case. Might even be worth the risk of putting a loaded rifle in your ex's hands.

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    3. I have been told by those with experience to NEVER, ever ever use blank powder as propellent. Very dangerous.

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  7. Collets: I've never worn one out, but if you're gonna buy a .311 one, which nowadays is an 'odd' diameter, get two just to be sure. And if you have some Nice To Have money, ..308, .224, .355, .357, .452 are sizes to consider.

    Powder Scales: eBay is your friend. Use a few different search terms. You want to be on the lookout for those Sellers who have declared war on the English language yet insist on using it as those listings won't get picked up by using just one search term. Both of my RCBS scales were very cheap due to that.

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    1. I found a $10 puller that got real good reviews ( even for the russian round ) so I can buy two.

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  8. Slow grinding collapse? Isn't the bubble going to explode when the welfare class can't buy their pot, crack, alcohol, and food? This inflation that officially does not exist is sure kicking my ass, and I do better than most.

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    1. Slow as in the past. Things will pick up, don't worry.

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