Monday, July 1, 2013

cooperative cannibals

COOPERATIVE CANNIBALS

While it’s true that no man is an island, it is equally true that no one outside a bloodline will starve for you. “Oh, we’ll all join hands as neighbors and bestest buddies in the whole wide world and cooperate and we shall survive as a group. Surely, everyone knows their odds are increased when in a group”. As far as it goes this is true in a general sense. Individuals sacrifice a certain amount of autonomy to gain the advantage of being in a group. Man is a social, pack animal. He hunted in packs to survive and that won’t be breed out of him in anything under a few hundred thousand years ( where Creationists miss the boat-and I’m not saying Evolutionists have an infallibly theory themselves- is in failing to account for the vast timescales man was involved in learning his behavior. Blame the stupid prick of a religious scholar who tried to fix the time of the creation in such a compressed era. Dumbass was probably trying to curry favor with the Church politicians ) if ever. But pack behavior is merely used for day to day survival. Come another true ELE, pack behavior is not going to be enough ( and, I’ll wager it will take far less than an ELE to bring about a base of blood family survival exclusive of all other dynamics ). When the die-off occurs, and only a moron thinks two axis of food and population will never cross, cooperation will be violently thrown out the window. Sure, only for a short period of time, but that interval is enough to kill you.

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Let’s take that lame sitcom “Gilligan’s Island”. What was there, eight people? Or was it seven? Anyway, just picture the island but without enough food for everybody. Logic tells us that if everyone cooperates they can survive and thrive. In most recorded famines this is what happened. The reports of cannibalism were far less than Mad Max scale events ( eating the dead, rather than zombie action chasing down victims. And speaking of zombies, I made my once annual pilgrimage to the theatre to watch “World War Z”. Not a bad action flick, especially in 3D, but certainly not an apocalypse film ). Things got ugly but were largely contained. But, as the cheerleader sock puppet bankers whores keep bleating, this time its different. Every aspect of our survival is highly balanced with so many parts of the whole failing and so many additional systematic failures being introduced all the time, at some point the effects go from horrid to catastrophic and close to immediately. Collapse isn’t JUST a slight decline and those that crash the system and see a severe die-off are NOT recorded. Everyone was helping on Gilligan’s, spending fishing time on diversifying into yams or improving nets or what have you. Then, a hurricane comes along and wipes out all the food and spills the sewage tank into the lagoon. What happens then?

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The novelist or the preacher would have The Skipper give a rousing talk and everyone pitches in, tightens their belts and rebuilds together. In reality, human nature takes over. Suddenly, Gilligan seems to be a little fruity to The Skipper and Mr. Howell ( I think I got that one right. Forgive any further misremembered names ) isn’t pulling his weight due to old age. The Skipper thinks Gilligan is Putting The Moves on him, and is sick and tired of the Old Puke eating more than he deserves. Little Buddy accidentally brushes Skippers ass as they move about on a work detail, and the big guy lets out a roar, declares he ain’t no dirty little homo, and brains Gilligan with a rock, killing him. When Mr. Howell starts to protest over the barbarity, The Skipper accuses him of eating more than he works, grabs a limb off the stiffening corpse of Gilligan and beats Howell to death with it. When Mrs. Howell raises a fuss, the Skipper proceeds to threaten her if she doesn’t pick up the slack of her late husband and perform his duties.

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Next, The Professor has been schtooping Maryann and not only does The Skipper feel the brainiac will pose a threat to him by engineering a weapon out of coconuts, he has also been noticing that Maryann is shaking her tight little ass at him when Poindexter isn’t looking. Obviously, the new Top Warrior is going to be the next genetic winner. So, what else to do but preemptively strike and take out The Professor? It is really just self-defense. There was seven, food for five, and now after The Skipper kills off the old bitch from overwork, there is suddenly a food surplus even with a baby on the way. Because, when survival is at stake, humans manufacture the excuses needed to kill off the resource competition, even if the group was cooperating previously. In fact, at a certain point, cooperation is dangerous because you’ve already invited potential enemies into your camp. You will be attacked from within. And, the bloodletting won’t let up until a surplus is available ( momentum won’t be lost, hence this won’t have to be repeated ). Look at a married couple and the modern permissiveness of divorce. One half the couple, if there is a perceived benefit outside the union, will blow all out of proportion a problem in the relationship in order to consciously AND subconsciously justify ending the relationship. This gives them the moral high ground to act badly. And everyone does it, from brutal dictators to casual friends. Human nature. What I’m trying to get at here is that when you form your cooperative group, you need to then beware the inevitable backstabbers as soon as your former best friend or wife of twenty years sees either base survival or added benefits outside of helping you. If screwing you will help another, that other person WILL screw you. Even if being cooperative would have eventually been more rewarding.

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25 comments:

  1. Ya, been pondering those exact thoughts here lately and sometimes consider the lone wolf strategy taking along Ginger and Maryann of course.

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    1. And the two of them can fight over Wife #1 title. CAT FIGHT!!!

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    2. I believe you are referring to a couple of instances that happened during the Jacquerie rebellion period.

      I am not denying your theory doesn't happen, it does. Yet it does not happen everywhere. For ever instance where a locale turns totally every man for himself there are other locales that do not. In the end the do not's are the survivors so it is something we should be striving for.

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    3. I think what we are fundamentally disagreeing on is how severe we envision things to get come collapse. I just go with near universal worse case scenario. Perhaps each of us trying to prove their case with recorded history misses the boat. Those histories were not collapse as I see it happening. I'm trying to guess how the unrecorded, total wipe-out instances unfolded. And since we are practicing global trade, even fertile areas growing cash/luxury crops in exchange for Midwest corn, it should be almost all locales that are going to be effected. But in the end, I could be full of crap.

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    4. PioneerPreppy,
      An area that is way above carrying capacity without supply from elsewhere pretty much WILL break down into total collapse. There are only two exceptions historically:
      An area that is under seige from the outside will occasionally maintain cohesion as long as you can still feed the enforcers and it was a functional society to begin with, see Old Testament sieges, siege of Leningrad. Expect to see down-low cannibalism though.
      An area that has such incredible social cohesion that it performs the triage with a minimum of fuss (ok, we can only support 10,000, all you old guys and other sorts, go out on the ice floes---see the Japanese offer by older engineers to go and suck up the radiation fixing the mess so that the younger engineers who might still have kids don't have to).
      The US is in neither of these states, nor is anywhere in the Western world.
      An area that is barely above or at it MIGHT be able to hold the line, if it can prevent itself from being overrun by other areas. It requires good ruthless leadership.

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  2. Through the many governmental collapses, mini ice ages, famines, Depressions, and war (civil or otherwise) give me one example of the entire population, and more specifically of an entire population made up mostly of White Europeans, that has degenerated into what you describe?

    There are always pockets of cooperation and civility. Now maybe that is because there are always pockets of surplus or islands that go untouched in the general mayhem but there are also plenty of instances of towns, farms and locals defending themselves and protecting each other. In fact far more instances of that type activity than of your Gilligan's Island scenario.

    While I do not place a whole lot of faith in pre-collapse unions surviving once it all comes down as you point out. I do have more faith in forced cooperation playing out as the confirmed leader overall. The slight natural edge will be the determining factor.

    Natural selection in the end will show cooperation is the better trait and even if the overall survival rate is only a couple of points higher, you might as well go with the winner from the start.

    It doesn't hurt to try and plan your survival around areas that are more defensible, productive or even clannish to begin with either.


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    1. How about French cannibalism a few hundred years ago? I'm drawing a blank on the time period. 14th century? By the third consequtive crop failure. Also, forced cooperation is a whole other kettle of fish, yes?

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  3. Nightshift adds,,,,,,Maryann was definitely hotter than Ginger.

    Spud, i wonder if the perceived benefits of both women would outweigh the very real headaches you could face. LOL

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    1. On the one hand, they entertain each other and leave you alone most of the time. On the other hand, they BOTH make you miserable 24/7. On the third, CAT FIGHT!!!

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  4. I'm pretty sure I'll never look at Gilligan's Island quite the same way again...

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  5. More likely, the murder of the inoffensive giligan will cause the proffessor and howel to plot the murder of skipper, (together or separately) and one of them would take him down - big lardasses after all tend to require more food.
    If both the rich old geezer and proffesor survived that battle, then they would divide up the females Howel getting ginger most likely only to discover that she is about useless for other than arm candy and Mrs Howel would slow work in protest- Leaving proffesor and mary ann running the show in a few years.
    Heck the proffesor (or howel) might be smart enough to see the potential crash coming and squirrel away enough coconuts in a hidden cave that they would retreat to quickly. Of course that presumes that the others wouldnt follow them and attack for the resources- the run to the cave would have to be a last minuet sort of thing done when everyone is too weak from starvation to be able to attack the well fed survivalist. This is why you subsite on non- Long Term Storage foods for as long as possible as long as you keep a similar diet with the LTS food.

    -Grey

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    1. Of course, the Skipper could strike whilst the two timid ones were wasting time arguing and plotting. But I take your point about The Professor being a survivalist hoarder, knowing about carrying capacity and such.

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  6. "Little Buddy accidentally brushes Skippers ass as they move about on a work detail, and the big guy lets out a roar, declares he ain’t no dirty little homo, and brains Gilligan with a rock, killing him. "

    Perhaps not James? After all, it was Gilligan that had all of the good weed :D

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    1. With all the good weed, he would be too passive.

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  7. Evolution or Creation?

    Listen for the color of the sky. Look for the sound of the hummingbird's wings. Search the air for the perfume of ice on a hot day. If you have found these things, you will know.

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    1. Its okay to know you don't know but argue about it anyway. It makes for a better diversion than real work.

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  8. Lord Bison of the Great Basin and King of Coiffure;

    Thinking back to my ancient Sociology Class, two decades ago, when resource constraints become apparent to those present in a given environment, along with infanticide a rise in the rates of homosexual relations coincide with the resources shortages, until such time that resources return to rates commensurate with existing albeit reduced population. In other words along with people killing small children (since they cannot provide to the labor of food production), both males and females become homosexual during the period of resource shortage. Granted not all would do as such, since human beings are entirely selfish and would more than likely contribute to their own extinction, because they could not adapt to the evolving reality of resource scarcity, thus would want to wreck the whole train instead of the other guy's train. Keep keeping it real James!

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    1. Whenever I bring up to non-minions the link of resource scarcity and homosexuality increasing ( brought up by you originally? ) I am laughed at and ridiculed. PC is stronger than rational thought or coherant theories.

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  9. Can't wait to see what you can do with Little House On The Prairie.

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    1. Hmmm. I don't know if I remember enough details on that one. Course, it was so sickly sweet I might not be able to spoof it. But now I'll think on it.

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  10. You've just described what happen in Rwanda.

    Idaho Homesteader

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    1. I didn't consiously think on that one. Good catch.

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  11. are you great with a wine sauce or just barbaque sauce


    dinner sometime?

    Wildflower

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