Monday, June 24, 2013

PEEno9


PEEno9

PREPPER EMERGENCY ESSENTIALS
LOCATION

 

Way back in the day the general talking points amongst survivalists was the size of a retreat location.  Single hidden, village, town or city.  Most folks knew that living in the city was the height of retardness but as 99% of preppers live there they had to do something to disguise the fact that they were evolutionary dead ends, sucking the dirty end of their Princess Barbie’s ass, desperately trying to please her by providing her with all the nice things in life ( and the wife would then cheat on them since they were spineless pandering worms and there is no respect for that )( also, there are some ladies ass’s that I’ve seen that are so nice I’d lick them like an ice cream cone, but they are the exception to the rule, most backsides being flabby and cellulite ridden ) which to her means living in the urban areas where shopping is NOT inconvenient.  Hence the bug out was born, clueless bastards trying to compensate for silly decisions previously made that condemned them to death.  In this instance we are going to be talking about places survivalists have chosen to live now on a permanent basis, NOT stupid ass bug out locations ( as with all things there are exceptions and sometimes under limited circumstances bugging out isn’t such a bad idea.  But they are rare ).  Where is the best location for you to live, keeping in mind that you need to work for a living and only retards plan on moving to the sticks and trying to be yet another handyman ( competing with local, known talent )?

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Keep in mind that no matter what anybody tells you, there are ZERO perfect options available to anyone other than the rich.  When survival experts try to sell you a $40 book on relocation, they are generally selling a fantasy to wanna-be rich bitches who despite all the desire in the world will never be able to heed the given advice.  They are buying a coffee table picture book to impress the other guys in the Semi-Auto Spray And Pray  Fat Guys Militia Club.  This is the kind of crap I lapped up when I was a little punk ass bitch at the age of 18.  Oh, wouldn’t it be super if I could get laid.  Oh, wouldn’t it be super if I had a muscle car.  Oh, wouldn’t it be super if I had a mountain top lair.  For most of us, the solution is going to be to move to the smallest town we can get work in that has an affordable hunk of land within reasonable alternate transportation distance.  It is a far from perfect solution, yet it has one important criteria.  It isn’t in the worst spot in the world to live in a civilization collapse, the big city ( and yes, it will probably have far more people than you’d prefer even as a small town.  One more price we’ve paid to shop at Wal-Mart is the death of almost all small town Mom And Pop stores.  Of course, don’t just blame China-Mart.  Centralization is always the solution in an energy decline, and we’ve been there since 1972 ).

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The big debate the last half decade or so ( it’s been going on forever, but only for the last seven years or so has bandwidth become affordable enough that everybody can now blather away at will ) is if the West or the East is the best place to retreat to.  The experts say the West, most preppers are living in the East.  The West has close to zero water and the East has close to all the population.  Really, neither choice is great.  There is a reason civilizations don’t grow in the desert.  Only agriculture feeds masses, and only masses can defend and/or expand a civilization.  Don’t be fooled into thinking any spot in the West is an agricultural oasis of any lasting value.  Those are exactly what they are, an oasis, and everybody either already knows about them or soon will and there is no safety as a target.  And don’t expect distance to save you.  There will be enough incentive for enough people to somehow get there if that is the only spot that supports life.  My strategy is to be an unsatisfactory target with 300 empty miles surrounding me in all directions.  The area is viable for potatoes and sheep, but it will never be an embryotic new civilization, merely a homeland for bandits or mercenaries on a small scale.

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Two primary considerations for picking a location, besides a less built up area, is nuclear power plants and agricultural potential.  I for one would be far less worried about nuclear war ( sure, possible, but is a superpower slugging match with all cities and missile silos targeted probable? ) and far more worried about spent fuel rod failure after a grid down.  Look at Japan if there is any doubt in your mind the nasty surprises that are there once rod pond storage loses circulating cooling water.  I wouldn’t want to be downwind of power plants ( there have been too many barely hushed up accidents here in good times.  Don’t expect any level of corporate or government competence in this regard ).  Also, picking an area suitable for crop production also targets you.  In the last ten thousand years of the Agriculture Age, the same spots and same kind of terrain has been continually fought over.  If a spot of land is part of a section that will feed an army, you will be displaced.  Period.  The timing is the only thing in question.  Armies are very expensive endeavors, be they bronze or nuclear.  Nobody fights just because.  They fight to win a surplus.  Farmland is fighting land.  You won’t be afforded the protection farmers enjoyed the last three hundred years, where a unique set of circumstances allowed them to live in peace ( look at the War Of Northern Aggression for clues.  Inaccessible, marginal land was left alone, prime farmland was fought over or destroyed in a scorched earth policy ). It doesn’t matter if that smallholding is hidden away in in the East or West, as long as it is unnoticed by the new powers that be.

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23 comments:

  1. Indeedy , this be the rub in the west. WATER !
    Without pumping it you are screwed in most cases. Sure in the Mtns. there are live streams, and snow ass deep to a 20 ft. tall indian ! Not very realistic to think that this is viable. Not without pack animals it isn't, for various reasons. Heat being a prime one, then ya have to figure out how you're going to raise feed for those beasts. Not very many horse drawn swathers or combines out there nowadays.
    Then down where you are James, that river may or may not always have water in it. Now there are probably dams upstream to maintain flow for the hot months ( I Dunno is there ? )
    Definitely here we will have to barricade well and have much bullets to defend the hidey hole. We know this to be true. BUT WE HAVE WATER !!!
    Sometimes way too much lol
    We also have that swamp surrounding our high ground, with only one road in. When SHTF that road will be taken care of with a multitude of things to hinder travel he he.
    We know that we cannot grow enuf food on our 2 1/2 acres of high ground but the jungle will provide enough until the bulk of the population is long gone...
    Besides that, like you, I only wish to live long enough to see what happens. Fully expect not to live until old age sets in. Just longer than most.

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    1. The collapse will be a nice excuse to go Postal and then Suicide By Anybody, sparing one the pains and indignities of old age. And to spare the younguns from going hungry. It will be a few generations before the old generation becomes wise teachers again.

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  2. Of course in Lucifer's Hammer it is the nuclear power plant that is going to make everything O.K.

    One item to watch in many parts of the east, particularly the Southeast, is that many of the "lakes" (all but one in

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  3. The last comment seems to have published itself. In any case, to continue, In some areas, man-made lakes are called reservoirs. In the Southeast, almost all our "lakes" are reservoirs. North Carolina and South Carolina only have one large natural lake each. With Earth holding back most of these "lakes", you are looking for an eventual disaster within the 100 year flood zone.

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    1. I never thought about that. Interesting. I like boots on the ground, it makes for fascinating factoids.

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    2. Actually in the west this is almost 100% true. Without mem maintaining those dams...lookout below eh.
      At least here in Floriduh it's more like finding a dry spot. Of course then too you'd better purify any of the water here except for a few spring sources and wells.

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    3. The western dams are 30's CCC concrete. Might last longer ( plus, with little water behind them they will silt up slower ).

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    4. Problem will be the spillways. Currently they are maintained and kept clear of debris. In the spring run off their is lots of dead fall etc that comes down and there is a catch cable across spillways. If that stuff is not cleared then the dams will overtop and undermine. Ultimately you end up with the giant sized toilet flush effect with a concrete structure. So yes there is a huge potential risk down stream.

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    5. Glad I'm not downstream then.

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  4. You're correct there are oasis scattered all over, East and West that will be ideal but I put the true survival band as West of the Mississippi and East of a line that runs down the middle of the Dakotas through Nebraska, Kansas, Oklahoma and Texas.

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    1. Rainfall, but a lot less population. However, also some of the worst weather to survive without petroleum, yes?

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    2. Yup in that zone there is very little forest for firewood. Those plains grasses don't make for great heat sources lol

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  5. Petroleum (energy and synthetics) is impossible to live without in our current society.
    Smart people know petroleum is running out (if not now, then soon enough).

    It makes total sense to use the petroleum while you have it, and it is SMART to use the petroleum to position yourself to survive (and prosper?) while it runs out.

    Earthshelters dug by diesel power, insulated with synthetics, passively heated with glass panes (made with petroleum power), will keep the weather off.

    Firearms sufficent to counter the firearms to be used against you during the decline; then archery, traps, and simple melee weapons with the occasional recourse to a few remaining rounds of gun ammo in extreemis, all purchased now while cheap(er) due to petroleum subsidy - will suit for security and meat.

    Bulk Grain and Legumes, packed in petroleum provided synthetics, and again subsidised by petroleum, will see you through a few poor harvests.

    But location? well, choosing one that can be survived without petroleum is easy - as all parts of north america were inhabited before petroleum.
    Choosing one that wont suffer too much _die off_ without petroleum gets *much* harder, as only small farming communities (that have been dieing off for decades now) fit that bill, and they don't often have employment. UNLESS, like North Dakota, they have recently gotten some sort of unique economic boom. Then you have to prep to deal with the collapse of the boom as well as the end of cheap oil, but a lot easier to do in a smaller town. And if the bust comes soon enough to beat the oil end, you might be able to get some great deals on some great food or other prep related stuff. East or West North America is of little enough account (though there will be more dieing total in the east, the *percentage* probably wont be too much worse than west -excepting the violence).

    Again though I know Lord Bison is a geneus, I know the people running the .gov arent all total idiots, so what is their plan for dealing with the petroleum subsidized population overshoot as the petroleum runs out???? It creeps me out just trying to think about it- because cold blooded calculation leads me to conclude mass deliberate genocide through 'clean' NBC measures is the most likely plan. Hundreds of millions dead in an instant, and just enough survivors to bury the bodies and becomes servants...Shudder....

    -Grey


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    1. That is my hope/plan- enough folks leave here BEFORE the collapse due to petroleum starved mines shutting down. Not sure about the calculated die-off. Not if they WANT to or are CAPABLE but if they are competint enough and if it would actually serve their purposes. I'll have to ponder on that, perhaps it might be an article. Remember though, we can't use our desire for The Cleansing ( thank you, Russel ) to cloud our thinking, projecting that into a percieved threat.

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    2. Keep in mind that the old timers had animal power and equipment which was either human or animal powered. Something that is very hard to locate currently. You had best have those tools and beasts of burden before the fact because afterwords they will be nigh on impossible to procure.
      Remember too the the natives had much tradition and knowledge of their ecosystem which we do not, or few do.
      Not to mention that both the natives and settlers were much hardier folk than purt near everyone today.

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    3. What was it somebody called them? Marshmellow people?

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  6. Yep Marshmellow people, by-in-large MOST will die of.... welll everything, but people will surprise you. The 400lb diabetic will self medicate with herbs, diet, and required exercise, where the supposed green beret hardcore runs off to do something stupid (like directly challenge, or assist they local tyrrany).
    So make no assumptions there, and remember surviving is something most people do want very much to do. Making human/animal power equipment from found material is not hugely difficult, just inefficent compared to buying custom built, or using a power tool instead.
    Most massive population dips are actually due to evacuation/refugees fleeing. Which becomes much harder for the marshmellow people without petroleum, but SOME will be willing to walk as far as it takes to find (?)...
    Those that stay will first look to recreate what was good before, failing that they will try to stay alive until they can recrate the good ol' days, and failing that they will hunt down those 'responsible' (in their minds) and slowly tear them to peices (think french revolution with no 'scientific guilotteens).
    Hunger thirst hot and cold can be dealt with in every part of the USA, and once the solution for dealing with each of these problems is found locally the solution will spread by word of mouth and observation at lightning speed- leaving only the problem of population overshoot, dealt with via VIOLENT CRIME, WAR, ABORTION, INFANTICIDE, FURTHER WITCH-HUNTS, DISEASE, etc.
    Those are the killers that will get mose survivalists.
    Fit in to your community in a valuable role and be well liked to avoid the the witch-hunts- Our own lord bison is most likely to be killed by this, followed by violence in general.

    -Grey

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    1. Oh, I'm one of the first to die. If not threatened by the hair, my inability to put up with most peoples stupidity shall spell my doom. I wouldn't mind toadying up to the local baron and whispering advice into his ear, but I don't think I'll make it to that point.

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  7. relocate to Australia. We got a population of about 22 million and are about 2/3 the size of the USA that has a population of 300million pluse. We don't have a third world country that share a land border and only one tiney little nuclear reactor. Stricter gun laws actually works for the survivalist cause guns can still be had if you are prepared to put in the effort but the urban poor arnt armed to the same extent as they are in your country.

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    1. Is the wheat yield/salinated soil/drought portrayed by Jared Diamond in Collapse as bad as he says to be a future problem country-wide? And, really, what use would you'all down under have for a middle aged low skilled writer? I don't think I'd get past immigration.

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    2. Don't know how bad this Jared Diamond dude reconed land degradation is in Australia, but there is some degradation fore sure. A lot of Australia looks a lot like western USA but not as cold. Take oil out of the mix and we couldn't feed ourselves either but there will be fewer of us fighting over more resources. Only down side is Indoneasia, just to the north is the largest moslem country in the world and is very overcrowded. Already exchanged shots with those guys a few times over the last 50yrs. And as for you lord Dakin finding employment I find your writeing a damed side more entertaining than most of the left wing socaist jounilists pontificating in our newspapers, but our media mogals probably wouldn't like the cut of your jib

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    3. I didn't know it was that bad self-sufficiency wise. Wow! Isn't the same idiot running our FOX TV running your newspapers? Thanks for the kind words.

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