Thursday, November 8, 2012

AGP-30 cal V. carbine rounds

AGP
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30 Cal V. Carbine Round
Great manly he-men proudly pound upon their breasts, proclaiming far and wide the virtues of the great big bad mighty and righteous thirty caliber battle rifles.  Why, given half a chance they would smite the Godless heathen Liberal masses from great distances.  They start out at 500 yards ( I’m sure those having spent enough time in the military to openly give in to the propaganda and embrace the godless communist metric system [ see last section ] would insist on using meters, but then they probably also like the M16 ) and anything less is for weak pathetic creatures.  They insist on being able to split apart sculls in a spray of organic matter at distances invisible to the naked eye, and they insist on bragging rights as far as which one of them spent the most on a scope as the tool needed to do so.  To me, all this sounds like a heck of a lot more work than I want to devote to the mundane exercise of eliminating worthless mouth breathers.  You want macho, impress me with a shotgun at close range.  Long range is of course desirable because you yourself are extremely valuable and can’t endanger yourself.  But TOO long range is just a huge expenditure of money and effort.  Hey, if you have the rare talent for sniping, good on you.  But the average survivalist ain’t no sniper and it seems stupid to me to pretend otherwise with worthless equipment acquisition. 
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The question of thirty cal or carbine should NOT be reflecting distance at all.  Whichever you select, the normal survivalist ( a poorly trained, poorly practiced and poorly equipped soldier, but still far better than your average civilian ) can shoot at two or three hundred yards easily.  Any more you either have poor equipment ( underpowered round ) or you are just wasting rounds.  Note that I am NOT of course talking about you my wonderful reader, master of the universe and stud muffin extraordinaire, but rather the average other guy.  Three hundred yards is a good distance away, good enough that the average shooter firing back at you has a poor chance of hitting you while on “spray and pray”.  I think that the primary factor in deciding your caliber, since it should not be Fantasy Sniper Range, is your terrain.  If you are back east and in an urban or heavily wooded area, I can’t see much use in thirty caliber.  If you are being smart and bushwhacking, you don’t need instant stopping power because they shouldn’t be able to see where you fired from.  The myth of the 30 cal instant stopping power comes at the cost of an additional fifty percent per round.  As far as the thirty being able to penetrate car doors or tree trunks, why are you firing through them?  Are you in a toe to toe fight?  Shoe leather is cheaper than ammunition, you should be running away if you don’t have a clear shot.  If you are in a fixed defensive position you can trade up in armaments since you don’t need mobility ( black powder mortars, fire weapons, poison gas, etc. ). 
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Now, I love my Lee-Enfield.  And I prefer a 45 over a 9mm.  But loving the Enfield doesn’t mean I love its ammunition ( I just accept it as a condition of ownership for the rifle ).  I actually lean towards thirty caliber because of my location being almost non-stop windy.  But I don’t actually think I can hit much of anything past carbine range.  And pistol ammunition is a bit different.  You don’t have range to keep you safer, so stopping power up close is a different matter ( and, yes, I’m well aware of shot placement being more important.  I’m saying that all things being equal, in pistol cartridges, bigger is better ).  Stopping power in a rifle is unimportant as long as you are smart enough to only fire after you increase the odds of you NOT being fired back on.  Or at least not being hit.  As far as hunting, I understand not wanting to lose your deer or elk.  But I contend that this is merely an academic concern because there will be NO large game left for you to hunt about three days after everyone starts to starve ( as opposed to the time prior to that when the fools are waiting around hoping Uncle FEMA will save their stupid ass ).
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Another consideration is your family and shooting, or your advanced age and shooting.  Back when I first starting shooting the Enfield I weighed closer to 150 than I did to my current 200 ( I finally started to gain weight after my metabolism slowed come middle age ).  Shooting the SMLE was brutal to my shoulder and I have no earthy idea how the scrawny little Brits managed to do so all day from the trenches.  Or their even skinnier Indian troops.  I could never expect the rifle to be useful to my 100 pound wife.  If you have a Russian 762x54 you can always use a conversion shell to fire the 762x39 from it, assuming that the wife can heft the rifle itself.  But almost all war surplus rifles are going to be nearly impossible for the weaker persons to fire.  And while some females can easily shoot the 308 in modern rifles, I’d say that the general expectation is that most can’t.  If you think that you won’t be around forever, if you want your wife or daughter to be able to defend themselves, and if your location warrants it, I think you would be better off sticking to the carbine round.  Costing 50% less, you can stock more ammo.  Less recoil means you won’t waste as many rounds since you shouldn’t miss as much.  And it is a round the whole family can share.  It is also the round most likely bartered with for alcohol or drugs or prostitutes, or liberated from enemy troops.
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4 comments:

  1. Yup my choice is the lowly 30/30 lever action Marlin. His and hers identical. Good out to maybe two hundred yards, in my opinion anything further is known in current polite society as Murder ! Even 200 is not much of a threat, better to wait till they're up closer for a sure shot, and if there's that damn many of em you'd best be running the other way !
    Course I do have an ought 6 just in case I gots ta plug someone out further he he, and yes I can hit something very easily at 500 wid dat.
    I'm pretty much down with you Jim, on reality and guns n such. Ain't gonna be no hunting with guns less it be a 22 or snares n traps. Perhaps one of my bows too...

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    1. Should give 357magnum leavers a good look as well. Commonality in cal with revolver and good to at least 150yards. Leaver actions ars just so easy to carry and come to the shoulder well. 38 specail out of a carbine sound no louder than a 22lr but pack a lot more of a punch is another bonus.

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  2. so... how many rounds of 7.62X54r for an hour with one of the ladies?

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  3. I thought for a minute you where going to endorse the .223!

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